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>> and you look at just the flow like a river, you see the current of lava. >> reporter: darren estimates it's moving 30 to 40 miles per hour. >> the source of it all, there's nothing like this. >> just incredible. david culver is with us now from hawaii. what more can you tell us about being in the sky looking down on that. what's it like to be on the ground tonight now? >> reporter: first of all, that was exhilarating. i mean, at one point you could probably see in the piece, we had the doors open. and as we came over one of the flows, anderson, i looked over and had my hand out as well. it was like opening a fully preheated oven. you feel that heat just hit you. you also can smell and taste the sulfur in the air. on the ground we're starting to smell as well.
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we're starting to hear about reports of those strands of volcanic glass, called hay lay's hair going 40 miles from the volcano. they're drifting pretty far. the concern is going to focus on the main roadway. it's slow at the bottom, going about 25 feet per hour. but it's about two miles away. for that reason, you've got the national guard, 20 members on standby. for now they're going to focus on traffic control because it's a tourist trap. if it gets more serious, they'll have to shut down that highway. >> this can be seen from space, right? >> reporter: well, that was the really unique thing. even in the dark of the night, you could see it from miles away. then we have this image. this is provided from the international space station. it's from outer space looking down. you can see, as it passed over the big island, and the hawaii islands at that, the orange red glow. yeah, it's the spread that's also seen from out of this world. and it felt like something from out of this world. it really did. >> that's incredible.
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david culver, appreciate it. we've got breaking news, sad news tonight. emmy winning actress chrkirsty alley has died. in later years, alley played a version of herself in "fat actress." her family posted a statement on social media saying in part he was surrounded by her family, leaving us with her never ending joy of living. as iconic as she was on screen, she was an even more amazing mother and grand mother. actress kirstie alley was 71 years old. we're hours from a runoff election. what will strong early voting turnout mean as herschel walker tries to unseat raphael warnock in georgia. and will scenes like this come to an end in china? fareed zakaria joins us all ahead.
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record breaking. the race is also seeing big name surrogates campaigning for candidate of the former president, who endorsed walker early on, has shied away from coming to georgia in the closing hours to campaign in person for him. we have reporters covering both candidates in these final hours. jeff zeleny in ken saw, georgia, with the walker campaign. how did warnock spend the final day on the trail? >> reporter: anderson, senator warnock spent these crucial final hours i would say shoring up support with core constituents, going to barbershops, meeting with college students. he has put a tremendous amount of emphasis on the youth vote in the closing days of this campaign and then ending the night in this big celebrity filled rally in atlanta. an amazing violinist on stage right behind me. i think closing out in atlanta really spokes to how democrats are relying on those core groups to come out in a big way on
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election day in these regions, anderson. >> and warnock is cautioning supporters about getting overconfident. >> reporter: yes, he has time and time again. clearly, democrats are enjoying some momentum now. he speaks about how he was happy with how many folks came out during the early vote period. you know a significant amount of black voters, which is such a core group for democrats, came out during that early vote period, but saying, don't spike the football. don't get overconfident. he acknowledged tonight that republicans tend to come out on election day. so, telling his supporters there is still work left to do, anderson. >> want to go now to jeff zeleny with the walker campaign northwest of atlanta. what is walker's closing argument? >> reporter: anderson, in a nutshell, it's vote. in fact, he said, vote, vote, vote, three times in a row. he said, flood the polls, let's vote.
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turnout is key to herschel walker's campaign. as eva was just saying there, democrats certainly have an advantage and edge going into election day because of early voting. there's some republican hand wringing and angst they didn't do a better job and they fault themselves and others in the republican party for not encouraging early voting. there were some republicans who voted early, but election day turnout is absolutely essential for his campaign. but he was also casting his candidacy as more than himself. he said a vote for raphael warnock is a vote for -- even though control of the senate is not hinging on this contest in georgia, of course committee assignments are and it's going to give democrats more breathing room if they would get it. republicans are looking for the herschel walker campaign to end this midterm election year on a high note, if you will. there were certainly disappointments in the midterm elections. yes, they won control of the
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house narrowly, but they did not win control of the senate. so, that's what this race is about. and herschel walker was -- had a very short message here tonight, as he ended a rally earlier this evening. he was in this exact same spot in cobb county in ken nis saw. there was an air of confidence in his voice in talking to voters. that was not as palpable here because they realized they aren't as confident going into election day tomorrow. but they still were urging huge turnout. and again he's been outspent tremendously. they simply believe republicans have not spent as much and sent as much aid in as they would have if control of the senate would have hinged on this. >> want to go next to james car voe, cohost of "the war room" podcast, also scott jennings, who served as special assist tant to the president in the george w. bush administration. we saw a lot of candidates like herschel walker supported by the
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former president, hand picked by the former president, lose their elections last month. what do you think is going to happen in georgia tomorrow? >> herschel walker is running the most -- senate campaign i've ever seen -- >> the most what? >> beput. it's a derivative word. the democratic happy talk worries me a little bit. the polling i've seen is tight. warnock's got a slight lead. but this is georgia. anything can happen. and this happy talk -- i hope no democrats see this and decide to stay home because they're going to have to carry through election day. the early vote looks good, but they're going to take a shot. what's going to happen, i think, is warnock's going to take a big lead. then walker's going to cut into it when these rural counties start reporting. and probably warnock will win. >> james, i've got to ask, what was particularly befunic about walker's campaign? >> i don't know. good air replacing bad air in
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china. w w wh werewolves can beat vampires. that's ludicrous. i cannot think of another senate campaign that has said as many ludicrous things as herschel walker has said. >> scott, what do you think is going to happen tomorrow. the former president is holding his rally. does him getting involved in the georgia runoff, does that at this point really matter one way or another? does it enthuse people who they need to get to the polls tomorrow might it not otherwise have gone? >> it's of no help whatsoever. look, i usually don't bet on politicians, only horses. i'm in kentucky. horses are a lot more predictable than politicians. the good book says, hope springs eternal. i think mr. carville laid out a case for why warnock has had a
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slight lead in this thing. walker had viewer votes on election day. and the challenge over this four-week period has been to keep those supporters energized and find a few more republicans who didn't vote for him for some reason and bring them in. i think the best thing they did was get brian kemp engaged. he's the most popular politician in the state. neither biden nor trump are anywhere near georgia. both parties kept out the biggest names in the party from the state because neither of them are very popular down there. getting kemp engaged is good. what i've heard is that the republicans are going to have to a huge turnout on election day. maybe it's good if the democrats think they've got it in the bag, like james said, because maybe they'll stay home. but i've got low expectations. but, you know, it's a runoff and anything could happen. >> james, walker made some bizarre comments over the weekend. he appeared not to know he was running for a seat in the senate or the house of representatives. you're a veteran political
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strategist. what does this mean going forward? are there going to be more -- in terms of the candidates that are -- is anyone going to look to donald trump to be picking candidates? what happens the next round two years from now? >> look, scott is in kentucky, and his idol, mitch mcconnell, is a pretty effective politician, said quality politician. i think that was a candid observation by senator mcconnell. yes, this is not a high quality senate candidate. we can all agree on that. and, i mean, the guy is just -- he was living in texas. he comes back to georgia. this is all lindsey graham's idea. it was a really dumb idea. but having said that, the polling is uncomfortably close. i think that warnock is going to win. but maybe it's 85/15. but you have a toggle. if you took it to the pediatrician and said there's an
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85% chance it's going to be okay or 15% chance the child is going to be paralyzed, you'll have to hell with that. we're not doing that. 15% is not 0. it's not 1. it's some chance given the tightness of this that it could go the other way. and too much happy talk can cause people to stay home. >> and scott, that closeness, is that about love of herschel walker, as people really want to see him in the senate? or is it they really want to see a republican in the senate and there are a lot of republicans in georgia? >> well, look, i think it's a purple state and there are a lot of republicans. and there's a lot of people in georgia that don't think joe biden is doing a very good job. you look at the cnn exit polls from the general election, biden was under water. his policies are not that popular. there's a lot of -- i think everything we've learned from election day forward, there's a lot of flashing red lights for both parties. i think the republicans -- you know, i was talking to someone
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the other night who said something very simple. you need to nominate people of good character. for democrats, i think there's still warning signs about biden and what he's been doing. i know everybody's been celebratory in the democratic party. he's not all that popular. otherwise he would be in atlanta, georgia, tonight. look, i think it's close because georgia is one of the newest swing states, going to be a swing state in 2024. republicans, even if they lose tomorrow, i think will still be competitive there. but there is something to this idea that people want normal, boring, you know, good character and this senate race has people on that front. >> james, do you agree there's warning signs for democrats? and what are they? >> well, i mean, the warning sign for democrats is we lost the popular vote in the congressional election, although we did much better than we thought we were going to do in terms of seats. i think we had lower black turnout in the congressional elections than most people realized. the point versus to go through and mine through the data.
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but i essentially agree with scott on this thing. i think warnock is an advantageous position but not a certain position. and i think the republicans have nominated some really goofy -- i'm trying to think of another adjective to call some of these candidates that they have nominated. but, you know, going forward, we need the seat because -- i think scott would agree with me. the senate match is not very good for democrats in 2024. i would like to have an extra seat in my back pocket going into that cycle, i guarantee. >> always a pleasure. appreciate it. thank you. coming up next, a live report from china on what life is like with the government apparently beginning to relax certain zero covid restrictions in the wake of widespread protests. but day-to-day existence is still heavily controlled. also tonight president biden planning to sign legislation protecting same sex marriage this week. we'll get some perspective from a married spouse who was the
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it is hard to imagine, but for the last year and a half or so, as much of the world was trying to grapple with covid, china was locking down completely. so much so that ordinary people took to the streets n a country where doing so comes with a steep cost. some local authorities are easing restrictions somewhat. selina wang reports now from beijing. >> reporter: this is the kind of line beijingers stand in outside in the cold to get their covid test. a 48 hour test is required to get in most places. much of beijing is still closed down. this is one of the most popular tourist places in the city, but the restaurants are largely closed and the malls are pretty empty. this mcdonald's is open but for take away only. even to get take away, you've got to prove you're clear of covid. >> i open up the health app on my smartphone. i scan the qr code.
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so, it says i've got a green code and i've got a recent covid test, so i'm good to go. >> this code dictates all of our daily lives in china. green means good to go. red means i may have to isolate at home or go to a mass isolation facility. this allows china to track the movements of their people in the name of contact tracing. i've got to scan to get in a public coffee, a taxi, even a public bath. >> a ran into a group of people on the street. they've got to do a covid test every single day to do their jobs. this woman says the pandemic has been hard on her. i asked her why. she says, because she's scared of getting the virus. you and your close contacts all get sent to a quarantine center. this is a convention center that's been turned into a massive quarantine facility with hundred of beds.
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some of these facilities are in rundown and unsanitary condition. then your hold building or community could go into lockdown. i spoke to a man who's been in and out of quarantine six times already just this year. he tells me his whole building of more than 200 families went to a quarantine facility last month because they were considered close contacts. he says he's not scared to get covid because omicron is less severe, and his whole family has been vaccinated. i approached a few people just released from this mass quarantine center here. i asked if they had tested positive for covid. yes, the man nods, and says, they have recovered. how many days did you spend in there, i asked. seven days, he said. unprecedented protests recently erupted across china. they're chanting that they don't want covid tests. they want freedom. authorities swiftly cracked down on the protesters, but they are finally softening their stance on zero covid. some cities are lifting lockdowns, changing
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requirements. under some conditions, people can quarantine at home if they have covid, which is a huge deal. but this country has already built up a whole infrastructure around zero covid, spending all of its resources on quarantine facilities and covid testing. so, it's going to be a long and slow exit from zero covid. >> selina wang joins us now. if china is finally easing covid restrictions, does that mean that the protests worked? is that a victory for demonstrators? >> reporter: yeah, anderson, i think it's fair to call it this tentative partial victory because it is remarkable to see that. in authoritarian china, protests appear to have forced the communist party to change its tune on zero covid. it's clear it made the government realize zero covid is not possible or sustainable and it's a threat to social stability. it's been more than a year since omicron was first detected. only now, anderson, finally is state media citing months old research and publishing stories that omicron is less deadly.
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this is a huge shift in china because before this authorities were demonizing -- loosening of restrictions here, they are happening in a patchwork across the country. some places are easing rules. others are clinging on to zero covid. you have some people in china celebrating the change. but others are frustrating and angry because all of this has been a wakeup call that the government can take away your freedom at any point and overturn your life. >> appreciate it. i want to get perspective from fareed zakaria, host of "fareed zakaria gps." we've seen local authorities begin to roll back controls. do you think this is directing at the national level? are these local authorities being allowed more latitude to make their own decisions? >> no, this is a national decision. the vice premier said effectively that they were moving into a different phase. they're couching it in terms the
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new strains are not as virulent. but clearly it is a restrtreat. they have realized they simply cannot keep people locked up with these kind of punitive measures forever. the problem, anderson, is the population in china has very low immunity. partly this is the success of their zero covid policy. very few people have gotten covid. but part of it is that they have been very slow on vaccines. and the chinese vaccine, cytovac, is not very good, particularly against omicron and the new variants. so, they have a problem. as they start opening up, the population, which is not -- does not have strong immunities, is going to start getting infected. what we have to see is what they do then. >> there has been some reporting that another issue is not just the low immunity numbers but that china has spent the focus on maintaining this authoritarian, you know,
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lockdown policy, and not using that as an opportunity to build up the infrastructure of the hospital systems and the like. so, the money has gone toward the lockdown, as opposed to building up medical infrastructure. >> that's absolutely right. i think part of it was that they got spooked by the pandemic. part of it, i think, was a kind of defensive reaction to the trump administration badgering them about origins of covid. but they went full force into the idea that they were going to show the world that they can handle this better than anyone. it became a cast of systems for them. another piece of it, anderson, as i think you're implying, is for the communist party, having a lot of control over your systems seemed like a good idea. they had this traffic light system of red, yellow, and green, which told citizens when they could go where. this perhaps comes more naturally to a system that is fundamentally about a lot of
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control. and they do not have a very strong public infrastructure system. one of the area where is china has not had miraculous growth -- let's be clear, they've had miraculous growth economically and all that. but they do not have a great public health system. to give you contrast, cuba has a better public health system than china does. >> wow. multiple officials have voiced support for the protesters. do you think that will affect the chinese response in any way? >> no. i think you've got to be very careful with this. these are real protests. it's a very interesting and important development. but mostly what people are protesting is the covid lockdowns and the crazy extent of them. there was some protests which were against xi jinping and against the communist party. but to a large extent, this seems to be deep frustration with the covid policy. it's not clear to me that these
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are in the same league as the kind of protests in iran, which are really existential and about the regime's -- the nature of its ideological control or like the protests against russia and hundreds of thousands of people fleeing. this seems to me fundamentally centered around a policy that they think that the central government should reverse, rather than some kind of legitimacy of the communist party. >> fareed zakaria, thank you. coming up, president biden could sign into law new protections for same sex marriages, as conservatives have prepared to limit some of those rights. how couples who waited for those rights. our first look at house speaker nancy pelosi's husband paul since he was attacked in their home in october. details coming up.
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. as congress prepares to send its bill to protect same sex marriage rights to president biden's desk possibly this week, conservatives this week seem sympathetic to arguments that might chip away at those rights. specifically to a graphic designer who wants to design websites for weddings but does not want to work with same sex couples. jason carroll has more. >> reporter: now that the respect for marriage act will become law of the land, marsha and her wife kristen sawyer say they finally have cause to celebrate. >> hooray. >> hooray. >> to tell you the truth, i never thought i would see gay marriage legalized in our lifetime. >> reporter: the two have been married now for about two years, but -- earned a place in u.s.
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history for her previous marriage in 2004. >> i now pronounce that you are married. >> reporter: that's the year she wed tanya mccloskey in massachusetts. in doing so, the two became the first same-sex couple to be legally married in the united states. mccloskey died in 2016, after battling cancer. >> do you recognize your place in history, being really the first. >> you guys remind me a lot. i don't think about it until it's brought up. i'm proud of it. very. and i'm glad that i can speak out whenever about, you know, gay marriage and being gay. >> reporter: it wasn't that long ago when speaking out about gay marriage was an unpopular idea. she remembers the mood of the country back in 2004. >> you know, my business where i worked, i saw once i got
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married. >> reporter: no surprise polling in 2004 showed most disapproved of gay marriage with just 40% supporting it. now 70% of americans are behind it. >> what kind of road has been it been to get to where you are now? >> a long one. >> yeah. >> reporter: a road marked by numerous events over several decades. the stonewall riots back in 1969 led by gay and trans people of color like marsha p. johnson, that posed for same sex civil unions in the 1990s, states striking down laws opposing same sex unions in the early 2000s. people like edith windsor, who in 2019, successfully challenged the defense of marriage act. even as gay people cheered each milestone, some, such as wyoming republican, wasn't sure the country would get to where it is now. >> we've just seen, i think, some partisan divides and
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splits. and if you're a republican, you have to believe this. if you're a democrat, you have to believe that. >> reporter: he has been married to his husband for four years. they have two children. he's been in office representing eastern cheyenne since 2005 and has defeated several anti-lgbtq bills in the state. >> i do think marriage is a state right n. my perfect world, every state would take that step to codify same sex marriage. and it shouldn't have to be a federal issue. >> reporter: there is still concern among those who support gay rights after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade this past summer. now worried gay marriage could be next. and while the respect for marriage act legally protects same sex marriage, gay americans, including younger ones, say there is still a lot of work ahead. >> i definitely did not think the right is over. there is so much more work to be done to protect rights more
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broadly. >> reporter: they know the fight is not over, but they also know how far they have come. jason carroll, cnn, boston. still ahead, new details in the investigation of the killing of four university of idaho students, what police are saying about one of the victims having a potential stalker. [ coughing/sneezing ] dude, you coming? alka-seltzer plus powermax gels
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tonight we're getting new details on the investigation of the unsolved murder of four university of idaho students. police are looking into the possibility that one of the victims have a stalker, and they're asking the public for tips and information. investigators received more than 6,000 tips and collected more than 1,000 pieces of evidence. tonight the killer appears to be still on the loose. >> reporter: it's been more than three weeks since the murders of four university of idaho students, and police are starting to receive toxicology reports on the victims' hair, fibers, blood, and dna, according to law enforcement, all considered critical evidence from the crime scene. the case remains unsolved. police still have not found a murder weapon or named a suspect, frustrating at least one of the families of the
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victims. the father of kaylee goncalves is speaking out, making an appearance on "fox sunday morning." >> i do not feel confident, and that's why i push the envelope and say a little bit more. i hate to be that guy, but there's a job to do. everybody has a job and a role to play in this. this is my role as a parent. >> conical ves saying he's trying to make information of the information. >> she didn't call 911. she wasn't saying anything along the lines of she had heard something or she was in fear. so, i'm just putting the dots together. as far as the investigators, they're very tight lipped and they're keeping everything close to their vest. i understand that. >> reporter: but investigators saying today they are trying to provide information while protecting the integrity of the investigation, saying in a statement, we firmly believe speculation and unvetted
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information is a disservice to the victims, their families, and your community. the stabbing deaths of these four students has created turmoil at the university and the quiet community of moscow. on friday at a memorial service, a local pastor read letters from two surviving roommates, dylan mortensen and bethany funke. >> they all lit up any room they walked into and were gifts to this world. >> reporter: expressing the sentiments of so many others who have gathered to honor the victims. >> i will always love you and miss you forever. >> reporter: veronica joins us now from moscow, idaho. what's the latest on police looking into one of the victims potentially having a stalker? >> reporter: well, anderson, since the start of the investigation, there has been talk that kaylee goncalves may have had a stalker. police came out today and they said there was an incident they
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looked into that happened in october. and they're ruling that out as being associated with these murders. so, they are saying that they're continuing to look into the possibility that kaylee may have had a stalker. but they're reaching out to the public for information and tips and leads. the police also did reiterate to me today that any information that was released over the weekend, that did not come from their department. it's not information that they are revealing at this time. anderson? >> appreciate it. thanks. up next, harry and meghan ready to reveal more of what made them walk away from royal life. we'll preview a new docuseries coming soon after another scandal for buckingham palace.
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? . you just becoming a rock star. there is a high-risk in the family. and there is leaking, but also plenty of stories. >> there was a war against meghan to suit other peoples agendas. >> it is about hatred, it is about race. the pain and suffering of women marrying into the institution is really frenzied. >> i realize, they are never going to protect you. i was terrified. i didn't want history to repeat itself. no one knows the full truth. we know the full truth. >> our correspondent, max foster, is in london. it is interesting to watch this trailer because, certainly, the tone of it and the editing of it. it certainly looks like the
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story of how people, women who are new to the family are treated and the comparisons to princess diana are clear. but it seems like the criticism is of the royal family itself, and leaking, and plantain stories. not so much the media frenzy, which was the focus during princess diana's time. >> it is the six-part series i think there's gonna be a lot in there. the general theme that we've heard before are that the tabloid press, in particular, social media. we're attacking this couple. particularly megan. at the palace and refused to protect them. or didn't protect them enough. even went as far as planting stories against them. so that is the sort of theme we had before, which they are reiterating here. what we're looking for a specific examples, really, of that. so that's what we're looking for within the six-part series. to give the palace an answer back to. because we need those --
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the palace has denied all those accusations. they said they did protect my get, and they want to tavern the family. they want to supporter. >> is there any sense of how concerned the royal family may be about this? or the palace around them, the stop the pass around the? >> they're certainly very nervous about this. did not come out and say anything officially at this point, because they haven't seen it. no one has seen it. apart from a very tight circle. they have to give it some time. of course, the traditional policy is to ignore these things. they've done it in the past. but it's interesting. and one of things will be different, this time, under king charles. because under the queen, palsy was to keep a stiff upper lip. controls markets broken. prince william is even more outspoken. i think that they will want to start addressing some of the specifics, if they do come up in the series. because it is very damaging for the monarchy. it is damaging for the uk.
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and they want to protect that. once i've seen some of the specifics in there, i wonder if -- under this new want to keep it may be more precip response. >> there's also prince harry's memoir which is coming out, in january i believe. and, obviously, the palace would have to be concerned and anything that they say, now, in response to never stop him entry. not bill need to respond, yet again. >> i think they're going to have to consider their communication policy, frankly, because under this age, as damage is done to the monarchy they need to have some sort of right reply if they want to counter these. otherwise, it is doing and stem it to the brand. certainly, internationally. it is being seen as a racist institution. it is not healthy for the monarchy, or the 90 kingdom. they have to look at how responsive this. i think it is a real struggle, because it just feeds in to the
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sussexes, and the conversations they want to have. and they don't want to have that back in the uk. but prince william, he gets upset about these things. justice prince harry is upset. i feel that he may want to express himself at some point. but want to see what's in it. it's a complete mistrust moment. we won't see the man said tomorrow night, at receiving human rights award a new york. so i'm sure questions will be thrown out there that we might be hearing a few more comments before the actual series drops on thursday. >> you think it's possible that prince william might want to respond at some point? but >> i think it's just more the baited position that he can't just let these accusations that. there could not things the sussexes are not going to need to line more. when the k of the funeral they're getting a very high billing. they given a huge amount of respect from buckingham palace, from charles, to william. i think there was, frankly, some hope. but that would help re-heal the
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bond with the sussexes. this is a clear evidence that the sussex side without the school. >> max foster in london. >> when we leave you with some positive news with the taliban has prevented to plushy in october. to your popularly attended the center honors in washington d.c. last night with his wife. it is his first public appearance, fans and shooter broke the san francisco home, and attack them to hammer. president biden was also there last night. and if is pumped mr. pelosi as he walked to receive the first lady. the speaker's husband is recovering from a skull fracture and serious injuries. kennedy center honors will inherit december 28th. news continues, much of things over to laura coates and cnn tonight right after the break.
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